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muhahaha
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I uninstall GIANTS and I can't even play morrowind
      #2903940 - 08/08/04 06:50 PM

I uninstalled GIANTS and everytime I start up morrowind it says "can't find GIANTS.esm" then after that I crash to the desktop.
Is there like a proper way of uninstalling Giants other than the uninstall program?

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Re: I uninstall GIANTS and I can't even play morrowind [Re: muhahaha]
      #2903981 - 08/08/04 06:57 PM

Giants also installs itself as a program...it will be listed in your add/remove programs listing in your control panel in windows. Then again...if you accidently made ANYTHING dependent on the GIANTS.esm..uh boy are you introuble if ya did. My best suggestion, just go ahead and reinstall morrowind<after uninstalling the old one>. And hopefully none of your mods are dependent on giants...

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Re: I uninstall GIANTS and I can't even play morrowind [Re: RavynAngel]
      #2904019 - 08/08/04 07:04 PM

Do you mean like a save game thats dependent on GIANTS?
*gulp*

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Re: I uninstall GIANTS and I can't even play morrowind [Re: muhahaha]
      #2904022 - 08/08/04 07:04 PM

try uninstalling it, if that doesn't work, harrass Puma about it... this is just one of the numerous reasons I don't run GIANTS...

If all else fails, reinstall

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Re: I uninstall GIANTS and I can't even play morrowind [Re: RavynAngel]
      #2904036 - 08/08/04 07:06 PM

It's not a dependency problem. The problem has to do with Puma being snip, actually - uninstalling GIANTS will also uninstall necessary components of Morrowind. You'll have to reinstall.

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Re: I uninstall GIANTS and I can't even play morrowind [Re: jaxalot]
      #2904114 - 08/08/04 07:22 PM

The exact same thing happened to me a few months ago. I had to completely delete and reinstall everything Morrowind related. I don't touch those pumaman mods with a stick anymore. Really overated stuff.

I'm probably making enemies saying this, but it needs saying.



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Re: I uninstall GIANTS and I can't even play morrowind [Re: jaxalot]
      #2904119 - 08/08/04 07:23 PM

Really?

Can you be a bit more specific? What parts? Why would it do that? You sound like you mean it's deliberate. How so?



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Re: I uninstall GIANTS and I can't even play morrowind [Re: jaxalot]
      #2904134 - 08/08/04 07:25 PM

Uh excuse me but i dont think making personal acttacks against the author of the Mod in question will help to solve the posters problem.I dont think Puma Mans intent was to bust his butt creating a huge Mod just so he could have people complaining on how it wrecked their Morrowind installation.

This isnt aimed at detritus2004 by the way.He stated what he said in a respectful manner.

When i rarely uninstall GIANTS ULTIMATE or any other version of it i always use the Add/Remove programs function in the control panel.Also i believe Puma Man warned that most likely any saves will most likely be ruined after uninstalling his Mod.Check out his site for alot of information on these types of issues and how to avoid them at:

http://pumaman.zftp.com/pumamods.html

Best wishes on getting your game back to normal.


Edited by Hellbishop (08/08/04 07:27 PM)

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Re: I uninstall GIANTS and I can't even play morrowind [Re: jaxalot]
      #2906386 - 08/09/04 05:58 AM

Quote:

It's not a dependency problem. The problem has to do with Puma being snip, actually



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Re: I uninstall GIANTS and I can't even play morrowind [Re: Gai_Jin]
      #2906399 - 08/09/04 06:03 AM

my way of uninstalling giants:

walk into an interior cell.
save.
load morrowind wihout Giants.esm.
the "Yes to all" function is very useful .......

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Re: I uninstall GIANTS and I can't even play morrowind [Re: Xeno2]
      #2906407 - 08/09/04 06:05 AM

I just have to say... DopeHatMan you have the best avatar.

But yeah I had ENDLESS problems with GIANTS, so I refuse to touch it now >.>

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Re: I uninstall GIANTS and I can't even play morrowind [Re: ]
      #2906490 - 08/09/04 06:37 AM

Quote:

Uh excuse me but i dont think making personal acttacks against the author of the Mod in question will help to solve the posters problem.




I agree. In fact, I'd like to emphasize we don't appreciate any personal attacks to anyone on these forums. Please leave any direct anti-PumaMan (directed to the person) posts out of these forums.

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Re: I uninstall GIANTS and I can't even play morrowind [Re: Umrahel]
      #2906501 - 08/09/04 06:42 AM

If you want to remove the enitre mod, meshes and textures included, you'd best uninstall GIANTS then re-install Morrowind, incase any key files are missing.

In my case, I removed just the esm and loaded an earlier save without GIANTS. Esms are good for minimising doubling bugs ect, but a real pain to get rid of once you don't want them.

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Re: I uninstall GIANTS and I can't even play morrowind [Re: pozzo]
      #2906732 - 08/09/04 08:43 AM

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If you want to remove the enitre mod, meshes and textures included, you'd best uninstall GIANTS then re-install Morrowind, incase any key files are missing.

In my case, I removed just the esm and loaded an earlier save without GIANTS. Esms are good for minimising doubling bugs ect, but a real pain to get rid of once you don't want them.





Unless the user screws up in the Construction Set and makes the .esp for another mod dependent on the .esm file, an .esm mod shouldn't be any harder (or any easier) than an .esp mod to uninstall.

It's a matter of how much the mod adds to the game world, how cleanly it makes its changes, etc., not whether a mod is an .esm or an .esp.

When removing any mod that adds a lot to the game or makes significant changes to parts of the game, it's probably safer to start over from a save game made before that mod was first installed.

As far as Giants goes:

I tried it for a while a year or so ago. I don't know what kind of installer or uninstaller it uses now, but the installer last year would overwrite existing files without prompting, even if the files it was replacing were newer than the ones included in Giants. I let the installer put the files into an empty directory, then manually installed them, which avoided the problem. (I found out about the overwriting by doing some testing.)

When I decided I wanted to get rid of Giants, I discovered there was no documentation at all for the uninstaller; that was enough to persuade me to ignore the uninstaller and just delete the .esm file (or .esp file? Don't remember now) and the uninstaller, without trying to uninstall the other files.

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Re: I uninstall GIANTS and I can't even play morrowind [Re: muhahaha]
      #2907464 - 08/09/04 01:28 PM

I never let an exe or zip install any mods to my Morrowind folder. I usually dump the contents of an exe or zip to a folder outside of my Morrowind folder and then manually install the mod files. That way, I know exactly what is going where.

To uninstall a mod, I generally uninstall the game and then reinstall the game and all the mods I want minus the one I don't want. Because I keep a library of mods outside of my Morrowind folder, it is really not that much work to reinstall the 30 to 40 mods I use.

Of course, if the mod I want to get rid of is small, I might go through the data files and simply delete out what I don't need. Since I keep a library of mods outside my Morrowind folder, I can easily see what files I need to delete to get rid of any given mod.

I am very much against mods junking up the Start menu. I wish modders would stop using installers when a simple zip file would suffice. Keep it simple.

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Re: I uninstall GIANTS and I can't even play morrowind [Re: Nanashi]
      #2907599 - 08/09/04 02:03 PM

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But yeah I had ENDLESS problems with GIANTS, so I refuse to touch it now >.>




Same here, it looks cool, but while running it, I couldnt go anywhere without it saying something was missing and crashing.

then when i uninstalled it it crashed up everything, I had to blow everythying away and start from scratch.

good idea, badly implemented.

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